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drCronex
Ég hef nś veriš aš bķša meš žessa rśsķnu ķ pylsuendanum.

Ca. 1995, ķ réttarhöldum yfir sprengjuterroristum frį WTC 1993 var veriš aš ręša sprengjuna ķ trukknum, sem įtti aš sprengja buršarsślurnar ķ kjallara.

Komiš var meš buršarvirkisverkfręšing turnanna sem vitni. Hann sagši aš ekki vęri sprengjan nęgilega öflug og jafnvel ef hśn vęri margfalt öflugri, žį hefši žaš ekki dugaš til aš fella turnana. Svo bętti hann viš aš eina leišin til aš fella turnana vęri:

"...aš fljśga hlašinni faržegaflugvél fullri af eldsneyti į einn turninn. Vélarnar vęru nęgilega stórar ķ dag og ef eldsneytistankarnir vęru fullir vęri ekkert sem kęmi ķ veg fyrir hrun."

Žetta kom fram ķ sjónvarpi og flestum fjölmišlum.

FBI voru brjįlašir. Barniš dottiš ķ brunninn. Svo eru menn aš furša sig į aš ekki séu opin réttarhöld yfir Moussaoui kallinum.

Ķ dag getiš žiš fundiš réttarhöldin į netinu og žar sést aš bśiš aš fjarlęgja nokkra daga. Ķ fjarlęgšu dögunum var vitnisburšur verkfręšingsins.

Įhugavert aš dagarnir séu fjarlęgšir, til aš vernda žį sem hefšu įtt aš vita... Eina leišin er aš finna žetta ķ dagblöšum frį žessu tķmabili.
Dorian Gray
QUOTE(drCronex @ May 27 2006, 17:25) [snapback]956216[/snapback]

"...aš fljśga hlašinni faržegaflugvél fullri af eldsneyti į einn turninn. Vélarnar vęru nęgilega stórar ķ dag og ef eldsneytistankarnir vęru fullir vęri ekkert sem kęmi ķ veg fyrir hrun."
Stórmerkilegt! Augljóslega lögšu einhverjir eyrun viš er žessi ummęli féllu. Og framkvęmdu sķšan nokkrum įrum sķšan.

En ķ millitķšinni nįšu stjórnvöld reyndar aš pakka turnana meš hljóšlausu undrasprengiefni og réšu sķšan nokkra Araba til aš fljśga rellum į žį.

Hvaš skyldi trśarköltiš hafa um žetta aš segja?
satan
Žetta lyga- og blekkingasjśka doktorsfyrirbęri og hįlfvitarnir
sem gleypa endalaust viš dellunni śr honum hafa aldrei minnsta
įhuga į aš benda į heimildir.

Svo hrundu žessir įgętu turnar į hraša sem jafngildir frjįlsu
falli og jafnvel opinbera kenningin sem žessir kįlhausar trśa
stašfestir žaš. Žegar byggingar hrynja į slķkum hraša žį tefur
buršarvirki žeirra hruniš ekki nokkurn skapašan hlut og žaš
er bara ekki fręšilegur möguleiki nema byggingarnar séu
sprengdar nišur. Žaš skilja žetta allir nema žessi doktor og
einhverjir kjįnar śr gervifrjįlshyggjufélaginu.

Bara snautašu til aš koma meš heimildir fyrir žessu. Vęntanlega
hefur mašurinn rökstutt žessa skošun sķna. Kannski ęttiršu aš
byrja į aš nafngreina manninn. Žetta veršur sķfellt barnalegra
hjį žér vinur. Meira aš segja babblerinn og froskurinn vinir žķnir eru
bśnir aš gefast upp į aš gera sig aš fķflum meš žér. biggrin.gif
satan
QUOTE
11.15.2004

Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resiliance of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001. "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting".

Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, died on 9/11/2001 in the World Trade Center attack.


http://www.freepressinternational.com/wtc_...ager_88888.html

Hljóšskrį fylgir žar sem žessi įgęti mašur segir žetta.

Annars er margbśiš aš benda žessu doktorfķfli į žetta vištal
į žessum 11. sept. žrįšum en aldrei tollir žaš stundinni
lengur ķ hans kolli frekar en annaš.
satan
Heyršu doktor, geturšu ekki fengiš eitthvaš ennžį žynnra
fasistadót śr gervifrjįlshyggjufélaginu til aš kóa meš žér?
Žaš hęfir vķst kjaftur skel. LOL.gif
drCronex
QUOTE(satan @ May 28 2006, 13:13) [snapback]956724[/snapback]

http://www.freepressinternational.com/wtc_...ager_88888.html

Hljóšskrį fylgir žar sem žessi įgęti mašur segir žetta.

Annars er margbśiš aš benda žessu doktorfķfli į žetta vištal
į žessum 11. sept. žrįšum en aldrei tollir žaš stundinni
lengur ķ hans kolli frekar en annaš.

Sį žetta fyrir löngu sķšan, žetta er śr heimildaržętti um WTC sem veriš var aš klįra į svipušum tķma sem žoturnar klesstu ķ turnana, held žaš hafi įtt aš vera į 30 įra afmęli turnanna.

Mig minnir aš frumsżningin, sem ég sį, hafi veriš einhvern tķmann 2002, į PBS. Mikiš var endurunniš enda ašstęšur svoldiš öšruvķsi...

Žvķ mišur fyrir Frank, construction manager*** fyrir turnana, žį hafši hann ekki rétt fyrir sér. Hann segir aš žota sem klessir į turnana vęru eins og "pencil puncturing a net screening". Reynslan sżnir annaš og lķkingin ekki fullnęgjandi, enda blżanturinn frekar eins og stór kķnverji.

Viš skulum muna aš eftir sprenginguna 1993 var mikil herferš ķ gangi meš aš skapa góša ķmynd mešal turnanna. Talaš var um aš turnarnir hreinlega gętu ekki falliš, ég man ég hafši žaš sjįlfur į orši viš fólk įšur en allt skeši. Žaš er vegna ķmyndar-herferšarinnar, enda mikil leiga sem tapast meš minnkandi sjįlfstrś. Žaš gekk betur en įšur aš leigja śt skrifstogfuhśsnęši. Turnarnir įttu aš vera óhagganlegir, fólk hélt žaš yrši óhult efst ķ turnunum. Ofurtrś rķkti um turnana.
Žaš reyndist bara snakk, svona eins og žegar sumir eru aš berja į brjóst sér og segjast vera Tassan en eru bara aumir nördar.

Eins og verkfręšingurinn Leslie Robertson (Hann heitir ekki Lee) sagši sjįlfur, žaš var ekki hęgt aš reikna śt hvaš yrši um eldsneytiš ķ žotu sem skellur į WTC. Hann sagši žaš ķ vištali, gott ef ekki ķ sömu mynd.

Žetta er af vefsķšu hans: "We designed the towers to resist the accidental impact of a Boeing 707, perhaps lost in the fog while seeking to land. The impact of the Boeing 767s, commandeered by the terrorists, even though larger and flying much faster, was still unable to bring down the towers. The fire-resistive systems, however, did not and [we] could not have contemplated the subsequent fire fueled by thousands of gallons of jet fuel."

Réttarhöld žar sem hann tók žįtt ķ, voru sżnd ķ sjónvarpinu ca 1995, žaš er mķn heimild meš žessum žręši.



*** Construction Manager ķ svona turnum er eftirlitsmašur sem sér um aš fylgjast meš og samžykkja innanhśssteikningar og djobb sem unnin eru į mismunandi hęšum turnanna. Til dęmis ef John Johnson arkitekt hannar skrifstofu fyrir XYZ Inc. į 68 og 69. hęšum, žį er skilaš inn verkfręši-og arkitektateikningum inn į skrifstofu Construction Management. Frank hefur žvķ veriš svona yfirmašur žar, sjįlfsagt veriš mikiš ķ lunch og į fundum lķka. Allavega hefur Demo-sprengjulišiš lķklegast žurft aš fara ķ gegnum hann til aš fį leyfi til aš koma fyrir sprengjunum (undir yfirskyni aš vinna ķ öšru). Frank og undirmenn hans hafa svo komiš viš į hęšunum reglulega til aš fylgjast meš djobbinu og sjį hvort sprengjužręširnir hafi ekki veriš nęgilega vel faldir.
satan
Trunarnir hrundu til grunna įn žess aš buršarvirki žeirra
tefši hruniš nokkurn skapašan hlut. Žś žarft aš rķfa žig
upp śr žessarri śtśrsnśningasżki žinni og hafa žig ķ aš
śtskżra hvernig žaš į aš fręšilega mögulegt įn žess aš
sprengiefni hafi veriš notuš. Aušvitaš er žżšingarlaust
aš bišja žig um žetta enn einu sinni į žessum 11. sept.
žrįšum žar sem žś trśir opinberu kenningunni algjörlega
blint, žaš er löngu ljóst.

Opinbera kenningin, sem žś trśir įn žess aš skilja hvers
vegna žś trśir henni, segir syšri turninn hafa hruniš į tķu
sekśndum (bls. 305 ķ rannsóknarskżrslunni). Eins og žś
munt aldrei skilja en flestir ašrir skilja žį jafngildir žetta
frjįlsu falli śr 400 metra hęš, sem sagt žeir višurkenna
aš byggingin hafi falliš ķ gegnum sjįlfa sig ķ frjįlsu falli,
žaš er įn žess aš buršarvirkiš tefši hruniš.

Ég skil nś ekki hvaš žś fęrš śt śr žvķ aš spila žig hįlfvita
hérna, žaš er sjįlfsagt einhvers konar afbrigši masókisma.
Hins vegar verš ég sem fyrr aš dįst aš žvķ hvernig žér
tekst alltaf aš fį žaš alžynnsta af öllu žunnu hér į mįlefnunum
til aš vęla meš žér ķ dellunni.

Ef žś vilt ręša hrun bygginga žį žarftu aš kynna žér lįgmarks
ešlisfręši, lęra um Galileo og Newton, varšveislu skrišžungans,
hvert hlutverk buršarvirkis er ķ byggingum og svo framvegis.

Taktu nś tķma ķ aš lęra heima greyiš mitt.

satan
Nś, žś trśir žvķ lķka aš Boeing 757 hafi skrišiš meš jöršinni
inn ķ vegg Pentagon į 850 km. hraša žannig aš žś trśir
greinilega hverju sem er komi žaš frį "réttum" ašilum.

Samt kallaršu žį sem dęla žessarri dellu višstöšulaust ķ
žig "ill trśarnött" į öšrum žrįšum. Žaš er greinilega alvarlegt
sambandsleysi ķ kollinum į žér vinur. Žaš žżšir ekkert aš
bulla hugsunarlaust einhverja dellu upp śr trśarnöttum. Žau
gera ekkert meš ešlisfręšilögmįl henti slķkt ekki žeirra bulli.
drCronex
QUOTE(satan @ May 30 2006, 11:08) [snapback]958895[/snapback]

Trunarnir hrundu til grunna įn žess aš buršarvirki žeirra
tefši hruniš nokkurn skapašan hlut.

Buršarvirkiš tafši hruniš rétt ašeins, enda ekki hannaš til aš tefja žaš. Žś greinilega hefur ekki lesiš žessa vefsķšu sem afsannar rugliš i žér meš frjįlst fall laugh.gif
Tékkašu į žessu:

http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html

Frjįlst fall laugh.gif
satan
QUOTE(drCronex @ May 30 2006, 15:40) [snapback]959075[/snapback]

Buršarvirkiš tafši hruniš rétt ašeins, enda ekki hannaš til aš tefja žaš. Žś greinilega hefur ekki lesiš žessa vefsķšu sem afsannar rugliš i žér meš frjįlst fall laugh.gif
Tékkašu į žessu:

http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html

Frjįlst fall laugh.gif


Žaš tafši ekkert hruniš "rétt ašeins".

Frjįlst fall 400 metra ķ lofttómi er hvaš 9.2 sekśndur
og žaš er aš sjįlfsögšu hęgara ķ andrśmsloftinu vegna
loftmótstöšu, vinds ožh. Žetta vita nś allir, doktor sęll.

Brodd-Helgi
Jį. Nefnilega merkilegt, aš žaš er eins og žaš séu spįnżjar fréttir fyrir fólki aš andrśmsloft hęgir į falli hluta. Nś žaš fer eftir formi hlutarins og fleiru hve mikiš andrśmsloftiš hęgir į falli.

My opinion is aš žaš sé full žörf į aš stofna hérna einhvern undiržrįš (žessir öfgahęgrimenn sem rįša hér rķkjum geta fališ hann einhversstašar) sem tekur fyrir grundvallaratrišin ķ ešlisfręši 101. Žaš er svo nišurlęgjandi fyrir mannsandann aš afneita ešlišfręšilögmįlum 2006! Ég meina... hvaš nęst ? Jöršin flöt ?
satan
Žaš er aušvitaš mjög pķnlegt fyrir doktorinn aš śthśša
Bush og hyski hans annars stašar į žrįšunum en bakka sķšan
algjörlega upp ęvintżravitleysu žessa sama hyskis hér. biggrin.gif
Gunnar
Jį, žessi doktor er rosalegur biggrin.gif Ętli hann hafi fengiš stįlgrindina ķ hausinn LOL.gif Svona hęgra skrapbrotajįrn LOL.gif LOL.gif Hvaš var aftur flugvélin į miklum hraša? 346 km? 621 km? Nei, er einhver sem veit žaš?
Grasi
QUOTE(Gunnar @ May 30 2006, 16:26) [snapback]959120[/snapback]

Jį, žessi doktor er rosalegur biggrin.gif Ętli hann hafi fengiš stįlgrindina ķ hausinn LOL.gif Svona hęgra skrapbrotajįrn LOL.gif LOL.gif Hvaš var aftur flugvélin į miklum hraša? 346 km? 621 km? Nei, er einhver sem veit žaš?


Of margar flensusprautur žarna hjį žessum wacko.gif
drCronex
QUOTE(satan @ May 30 2006, 15:50) [snapback]959089[/snapback]

Žaš tafši ekkert hruniš "rétt ašeins".

Frjįlst fall 400 metra ķ lofttómi er hvaš 9.2 sekśndur
og žaš er aš sjįlfsögšu hęgara ķ andrśmsloftinu vegna
loftmótstöšu, vinds ožh. Žetta vita nś allir, doktor sęll.

http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html


Tékkašu į tķmanum og lķka ljósmyndinni sem sżnir brot ķ frjįlsu falli. Į undan skrišunni. Aušvitaš hrundi turninn ekkert į 9,2 sek! laugh.gif

Silly boy. Kem til landsins ķ sumar og ętti aš rasskella žig rękilega.

Neim time and pleis, dśd.

wink.gif
drCronex
QUOTE(Brodd-Helgi @ May 30 2006, 15:59) [snapback]959099[/snapback]

Jį. Nefnilega merkilegt, aš žaš er eins og žaš séu spįnżjar fréttir fyrir fólki aš andrśmsloft hęgir į falli hluta. Nś žaš fer eftir formi hlutarins og fleiru hve mikiš andrśmsloftiš hęgir į falli.

My opinion is aš žaš sé full žörf į aš stofna hérna einhvern undiržrįš (žessir öfgahęgrimenn sem rįša hér rķkjum geta fališ hann einhversstašar) sem tekur fyrir grundvallaratrišin ķ ešlisfręši 101. Žaš er svo nišurlęgjandi fyrir mannsandann aš afneita ešlišfręšilögmįlum 2006! Ég meina... hvaš nęst ? Jöršin flöt ?

Ertu ekki aš meina ešlisfręšilögmįlum 2001?? laugh.gif

Eša er žaš EšliŽfręšilögmįlum rolleyes.gif

Góšur!
Gunnar
Doktorinn gefst ekki upp! Hvaša ešlisfręšilögmįl dugir į hann?
drCronex
Varla er hęgt aš gefast upp meš sannleikann aš vopni? Annars er ég eins og ęfingapulla ķ hnefaleikatękjasal. Hangi alltaf lóšrétt sama hvaš lamiš er ķ mig wink.gif
Agnż
Var aš skoša yfir hin og žessi gömul innleg hér į 9/11 žręšinum og einnig ķ gögnum sem ég į og var aš grśska ķ en hafši ekki birt..
Finnst vel viš hęfi aš setja žetta hér mišaš viš nafniš į žessum žręši...

En reyndar var ég aš leita aš žvķ hver ętti allt WTC ķ dag en žaš kemur allavega fram hér hver žaš er og žį um leiš hver hagnast mest en žaš er blessašur gyšingurinn hann Larry Zilverstein......
En žaš munar miklu um aš fį borgaš śt tryggingabętur sem aš viškomandi notar svo til aš reisa hiš nżja WTC ( "Musteri Mammons" ) heldur en aš žurfa aš borga engar smį fjįrhęšir til endurbóta og endurbyggingar į öllu WTC sem var komiš į žann tķma aš eitthvaš žyrfti aš gera, annaš hvort fella allt drasliš
(nś sem aš "terorristarnir "meintu geršu svo snyrtilega fyrir klaniš) og byggja allt frį grunni...
Einhverjum tryggingafélögum hefši nś fundist eitthvaš skrķtiš viš margt sem skeši žennan dag..en kanski sama sagan į žeim bę engir tryggingasvika
rannsóknarmenn lengur til...frekar en alvöru rannsóknarblašamenn... dry.gif

Mišaš viš hvaš sagt er hér žį er fall turnanna ekki aš meika sens...

February 27, 1993: WTC Engineer Says Building Would Survive Jumbo Jet Hitting It
Twin Towers Engineered To Withstand Jet Collision
Eftir žvķ sem ég skil setninguna hér aš ofan žį er veriš aš segja aš tvķbura turnarnir įttu aš žola/standast įrekstur viš žotu
Business: Saturday, February 27, 1993

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/...p;date=19930227
Eric Nalder

Engineers had to consider every peril they could imagine when they designed the World Trade Center three decades ago because,
at the time, the twin towers were of unprecedented size for structures made of steel and glass.

"We looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side,"
said John Skilling, head structural engineer.
"However, back in those days people didn't think about terrorists very much."

Skilling, based in Seattle, is among the world's top structural engineers. He is responsible for much of Seattle's downtown skyline and for several
of the world's tallest structures, including the Trade Center.

Concerned because of a case where an airplane hit the Empire State Building, Skilling's people did
an analysis that showed the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707.


"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building.
There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed,"
he said. "The building structure would still be there."

Skilling - a recognized expert in tall buildings - doesn't think a single 200-pound car bomb would topple or do major structural damage to a
Trade Center tower.

The supporting columns are closely spaced and even if several were disabled, the others would carry the load.
"However," he added, "I'm not saying that properly applied explosives - shaped explosives - of that magnitude could not do a tremendous amount of damage."
He took note of the fact that smoke and fire spread throughout the building yesterday.
He said that is possibly because the pressurizing system that stops the spread of smoke didn't work when the electric power went off.
Skilling, 72, was not involved in the design of the building mechanics.

Although Skilling is not an explosives expert, he says there are people who do know enough about building demolition
to bring a structure like the Trade Center down.

"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing
these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it."


January 25, 2001: WTC Construction Manager Says Tower Could Sustain Multiple Plane Impacts http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_post-9/11_world

Frank De Martini, an architect who works as the World Trade Center’s construction manager, is interviewed for a History Channel documentary about the WTC towers.

He says, “I believe the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like t
he mosquito netting on your screen door, this intense grid, and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing the screen netting.
It really does nothing to the screen netting.”


En finnst engum žetta neitt skrķtiš

Context of 'July 24, 2001: World Trade Center Ownership Changes Hands For the First Time'
http://www.panynj.gov/pr/pressrelease.php3?id=80

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...2401silverstein
Real estate development and investment firm Silverstein Properties and real estate investment trust Westfield America finalize a deal worth $3.2 billion
to purchase a 99-year lease on the World Trade Center.
The agreement covers the Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5 (two nine-story office buildings), and about 425,000 square feet of retail space. [New York Times, 4/27/2001; Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, 7/24/2001; IREIzine, 7/26/2001]
Westfield America will be responsible for the retail space, known as the Mall.

Silverstein Properties’ lease will cover the roughly 10 million square feet of office space of the Twin Towers and Buildings 4 and 5.
Silverstein Properties already owns Building 7 of the WTC, which it built in 1987. (skrżtiš..ętli nżjasta nżjasta byggingin hafi ekki veriš meš brunavörn.. mętti allavega halda žaš. )

This is the only time the WTC has ever changed hands since it was opened in 1973.
[International Council of Shopping Centers, 4/27/2001; Westfield Group, 7/24/2001; Daily Telegraph, 9/11/2001; New York Times, 11/29/2001; CNN, 8/31/2002]
It was previously controlled by the New York Port Authority, a bi-state government agency. [Wall Street Journal, 5/12/2007]

Larry Silverstein, the president of Silverstein Properties, only uses $14 million of his own money for the deal.
His partners put up a further $111 million, and banks provide $563 million in loans. [Brill, 2003, pp. 156]

The Port Authority had carried only $1.5 billion in insurance coverage on all its buildings, including the WTC, but Silverstein’s lenders insist on more, eventually demanding $3.55 billion in cover. [American Lawyer, 9/3/2002]
After 9/11, Larry Silverstein will claim the attacks on the World Trade Center constituted two separate events, thereby entitling him to a double
payout totaling over $7 billion.
[Daily Telegraph, 10/9/2001; Guardian, 8/18/2002]
Eventually, after several years of legal wrangling, a total of $4.55 billion of insurance money will be paid out for the destruction of the WTC (see May 23, 2007). Most of this appears to go to Silverstein Properties. How much goes to Westfield America is unclear. [New York Post, 5/24/2007]


Between September 1 and September 7, 2001: Silverstein Properties Takes Over Control of the World Trade Center http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...1silversteinwtc
In the first week of September 2001, the real estate development and investment firm Silverstein Properties assumes control of the World Trade Center.
The company had acquired the lease to operate the Twin Towers from the New York Port Authority in late July (see July 24, 2001).
It has already begun managing the facility with its own executives.
Selected Port Authority employees, including Alan Reiss, the director of the World Trade Center, have been assisting the firm during a three-month transition period.
But in the weeks prior to 9/11, according to the New York Times, “Silverstein Properties asked Mr. Reiss to let it more fully operate everything from safety systems to tenant relations.” [New York Times, 9/13/2001; Weiss, 2003, pp. 338; 9/11 Commission, 5/18/2004 ]
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